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Big horde units will give you some holding power you brought that BSB, right? Avoiding your opponent's heaviest units is also important to your success, which naturally is easier said than done. This tends to produce marijuana or have a sign he can place upon both doors of numero sei, as full understanding of the wisdom of K olkr. Glottkin is out and with it comes a Beastman update, they can now have marks, ambush works a little differently, and you're given extra rules like Eye of the Gods with Daemonhood becoming Spawnhood and the Reign of Chaos magic chart. Stonecrusher Mace: Anonymous 17 January at Looks awesome though.
Tomb Kings changed a lot in the 8th edition because the magic is very different same for all.
I kind of miss it but I guess it will remain like that. Can't wait what you come up with that book. Mathias, do you intend to give more marks to other units? Or are you happy with the Marks as they are now? The book looks really great! I just feel the rules still need a little fine-tuning A few things I've noticed in addition to the aforementioned mandatory ambush numbers are the pages: Mark of Nurgle: Tuskgor CHariot: Why T 5?
They were just fine with T4; with this change I feel there is no need to play Razorgor Chariots - Random movement in the profile is 3D, in the special rules it states 2D6 - The lore needs quite some rework; otherwise it will never be used - Gnarled Hide is too cheap; it's one of the most attractive gifts anyway, I'd consider 25 points - 84 typo: Stonecrusher Mace: Are there any particular reasons for removing the heavy armour?
Minos lost the option for heavy armour and cannot properly pursue due to bloodgreed.
They still are far too expensive if they are to stay like this. I'd prefer them being able to pursue as normal and a slightly reduced cost, though. With the worse armour save and random effect still not worth considering despite lower cost.
My suggestion: Don't know abot Ghorgon and Preyton right now; they both appear to be a little expensive as well due to the lack of any saving throws.
As always, these are just my personal views on the rules and point costs: The jabberslythe need more identity, now don't have enought charisma. Is an encarnation of madness, and it should reflex that. Think about rules like this: Aura of madness: All units except jabberslythe at 6" or less have -1 leadership. It can use this special attack in shooting phase.
All enemy units at 12" or less are affected, this units recieves this damage: This is a magical attack. Tongue lash: Shooting attack: Range 12", Strenght 5, Quick shoot, hallucinogenic spit hallucinogenic spit: Any model who recieve an unsaved wound have -1 to his leadership the rest of the battle.
This monster need cool rules like those, not good stats or saves. All the army exists only to smash heads, some crazy units are need to keep the insanity.
Razorgor chariots still have a lot more punch. I could see myself lowering the casting values some more, or is it the spell effects you find too weak? You can just upgrade to heavy armour though, so no loss.
I will make them 1 pt cheaper by default too.
Chaos Giant is already 25 pts cheaper than the official version, don't want to nerf it more than that yet. Thanks for the feedback! I think the Jabberslythe is fine like is, I don't additional unique rules are needed here. Some good points and some not so good ones. Monsters are much better than they were and they're me realistic than the 9th age so no complaints there. I don't thing gnarled hide needs an increase but rather should stay at its 15 pts from the 7th ed Bestigor should have heavy armour idk he nerfed it they are the only troops with anything resembling an armour save in this book Monsters should never have a save really unless, now this would be awesome, he reworked the lore of the wild to give ward saves to monsters maybe spell slot 5 casting value range 18".
Minotaurs, Shamans and Chariots should have access to Marks as well. The Bloodgreed special rule can also grant an absurd number of attacks. Perhaps just make it that Bloodgreed grants Minotaurs Frenzy that can't be lost.
Less rolling that way. Marks on Shamans don't really add much, since they are not fighters. I dont know if my last post got deleted or posted, but ill try again Longtime beastmen player here games in 8th, multiple tournaments, leagues with the goats. I appreciate what your trying to do, and understand that when making a book if you nake it too powerful it wont be accepted by the community.
However, beastmen are one of if not the weakest book of the warhammer armies. Some of the nerfs i felt were unnecessary such as Gors to ws Give them marks if you do this, i like the point drop though Chariots are still too vulnerable Ungors should be 1 point lower Razorgors have to be taken in units of 3?
This defeats the purpose of the razorgor as a mobile unit who is not constrained since he could be taken as a single model Ghorgons need another point drop, blood greed has been nerfed along with regaining wounds for the guy Lore of the wild, though slightly improved, is still garbage and no one will take it over the other lores Minos are still too expensive, esp with the bloodgreed cap Biggest problem is bestigors.
Bestigors are super expensive and die in droves in the current book. Now they are more exp if u want the heavy armor and are basically the same. Like the option for halberd though. Chaos spawn probably should be allowed to be taken in units Why is morghur gone from this book?
Classic beastman special character Once again i love your work, but just keep in mind beastmen players have been saying for years they need more help. If you want to nerf things, herdstone, unkillable doombull. But the goats do not need an overall nerf. Orcs are also WS3, and I see them as being equal fighters Gors being somewhat better because of primal fury vs choppas. The same pattern can be seen for pretty much all the armies.
How are they still too vulnerable? Hi, Thanks for this great job. Just one question: Ok, thank. And last remark, can you add a version number or changelog in your document? Continue and great job again ;. Good work so far.
But it feels a liitle bit rushed if i compare it with the great bretonnian book. Why gors with ws 3? They are not orcs. Why no new units? Like a centigor hero for example. Modells are there already. And why is the gaint only points if in all other books he is points? Why remove scout from the harpies? I think with some more input from beastman players, this can really be a book accepted by the community. Well, I did put most of it together in about 2 weeks, and I don't play Beastmen myself, unlike Bretonnia.
But this is just version 1. As for your questions: As such, there was not as great a need for new Beastmen units. Ungors can scout instead. Hey bro, how works the Parry of Kenjutsu rule with models with Frenzy like red devils or mounted models half army XD? It already works with mounted models, its in the description. Currently does not work with Frenzy though by RAW, not sure it should either to be honest.
This would also make them more expensive. Same with Bestigors, they should be on the same level as Black Orcs, as they are now. Likewise, I don't want Beastmen to just be another Chaos army, so I'd rather have them keep Lore of the Wild than give themt he Chaos lores. I must be the only one who likes Gors at 6 pts. I mean, they were 7 points, had better stats than Orc Boyz, better special rules and no downsides in the form of Animosity, with no explanation in the lore as to why that would be.
Btw, there's a typo in page Good book, btw, looks really fun on paper. Makes no sense as all chaos troops bar the unfortunate are WS4 even the chaos hounds. Gors will be brought back to WS4 as per popular demand in an upcoming update. Hy man Great work!!! They are humans that can transform into beasts, not beastmen per say. I think 10 points is better for bestigor when compared with other races special troops, I have had them die to a bestigor on many occasions from shooting.
Plus the point reduction in armour might be in keeping with the style of the book but would be a bitter pill to swallow. Overall I think its very good, i'm really glad I still have ramhorn helm and gnarled hide, i'm a bit gutted I've lost the hunting spear, but is suspect I would if GW had done another book anyway, so never mind.
Particularly annoying to me as I took ages converting one out of the Doombull mini. Core units! With the reduction in cost which I like overall its becomes even harder. I think they need another core choice. Could another unit be moved into Core? I noticed you did it with Skaven, moving the Plague Monks, so how about Beastmen?
These are all just my opinion, like I saud at the start I think you've done a top job! Regarding Tuskgor Chariots, I can see the logic of why you increased the toughness in line with other races, but personally I would prefer to see the unit size increased to making them more like Goblin Wolf Chariots. Or both would make them really awesome! I definitely agree with the comments that Minotaurs should have access to marks. I can see why it should be restricted to differentiate between other Chaos armies, but Minotaurs would gain the gods favour because they are, well Minotaurs!!
On the topic of Marks, I didn't see any rules saying that Characters with marks can only join units that have the same mark or no mark as it is in WoC, is this deliberate?
The other thing to note about the Beastmen is that a number of units can be held in reserve for a Beastmen ambush:. Under the current edition, named characters tend to be overpriced; you can pretty easily emulate most named characters from scratch and save yourself some points. That said, a few named characters do have abilities and wargear or wargear combos unique to them, so if you absolutely need to have them, go ahead.
Just make sure you're really getting your points worth. While named characters are judged against their generic counterparts, generic characters are examined based on their role in your army.
Beastmen Rare choices are overpriced and somewhat underpowered, like all of the Beastmen book right now. Thus they can fill gaping holes in your army, cause casualties where you normally can't and hit the flanks. Don't feel bad if you wind up with no Rares in your army - quite often, the points are better spent on buffing your Cores and Specials. Okay, that's harsh so I'll explain.
Legions allows you to fix a lot of the problems of this list by adding WoC units that are, let's face it, more reasonably priced and better at fighting and standing their ground. Sad but true. What's that, you say? Playing Warriors is for chumps?
Okay, you mad bastard. I like you, so listen closely. Your Core choices are shitty so you'll have to deal with that. Big horde units will give you some holding power you brought that BSB, right? Tuskgor chariots are handy and will bring some pain but not if you send them in one at a time like ninjas in an episode of Walker: Texas Ranger. Your real tools lie in the Special slot so when you get to list building your eyes are going to start here. Razorgors for flanking, Minotaurs for smashing.
Bestigors will fuck some shit right up but if you expect them to do work all by themselves then you deserve the spanking you're about to receive. Please note that the only unit that can take magic banners is Bestigors. To that I say: Bitch, did you think I was kidding? You ARE sinking more points into those Bestigors.
Also, a magic banner bsb has every capability to be just as useful as one with a decent save. Beastmen magic is generally too situational, just like the army itself and unless really dedicated to magic can be beaten down by any dedicated magic armies.
However, taking the Shard of a Herdstone with some Shadow level 1 casters can change this around, you can miasma the BS of shooty armies, and the WS, M and I of the fighty armies.
Even gutstars are no good if they have a movement of 1. Prepare to pay a lot of points for a decent magic phase though. However with a L4 and a power scroll, you can potentially force through a couple of spells at crucial times. In general the biggest problems with Lore of the Wild is what the spells work on and the fact that some can be done better by your own armoury more on this in the spells themselves. But it's not all bad, your casting Heroes and Lords are cheaper than MOST peoples and can hold up acceptably in combat not on their own, never on their own.
You're going to want your lower level Heroes to concentrate on Lore of Beasts and grab multiples of it's Signature Spell and maybe try to grab an offensive spell or two to try and tip an important combat in your favor.
Lord level wizards should be nabbing Lore of Death right out, for it's usefulness at sniping enemy heroes and weakening enemy units. Lore of Shadows is okay if you want to try for Occam's Mindrazor, but Death and Beasts are more all purpose. Here is a breakdown of the spells of the Lore of the Wild. Also note that with Lore of Beasts, you subtract one from each casting value, so it's like it's custom made for Beastmen!
Also, Beasts is where Wyssan's Wildform is With each of these spells - look at the ranges generally too short and the casting values generally too high and you'll see why, for now, the Lore of the Wild is not as good as some of the others though it does have its high points.
Let's get down to brass tacks here eh?
Beastmen, as an army, have some gaping holes. The biggest and most egregious: They have a terrible LD across the board: This means you're going to be concentrated in huge blobs towards the center of the board and thus very vulnerable to flank charges.
Here are some favorite unit designs that Beastmen players have used. You'll notice that the first three are Special Units - welcome to Beastmen:. There should be no giant blocks of ungors - this is not their forte, they're not Skavenslaves: Minotaurs do flank duty alright, but are unreliable and easy to strand; inherently, put them in the middle army general helps their low LD and put the Gor blocks nearby. Cores and Special blocks need flank support: Your Bestigors will likely fall into the above paragraph unless you set them up as stated earlier - with the Standard of Discipline and a Character, at which point they become independent of the General's Ld bubble this is good.
Even then, they cannot be run as a solo problem solver, or the inevitable paddling they get will be well deserved.
Cygors are decent flank units, but need the screening unit to keep dedicated combat units away. Ghorgons fair a little better but have the same problem that Minotaurs have in that they are easy to pull off in a bad direction. Jabbers are great mobile trouble-shooters, but automatically become winged shit magnets.